[4Rings]

Sam CarLegion put together an interesting review of the e-tron with the Jaguar I-Pace. While their both electric SUVs it's clear from watching this that the e-tron is the more practical choice as a family vehicle while the I-Pace is the choice for those that want a sportier option.

Here are some of the highlights from the video.
- The I-Pace has a higher range than the e-tron but the e-tron is a bigger and heavier vehicle (377km on a 90kW battery vs. 328km on a 95kW battery).
- The e-tron offers more trunk and cabin space than the I-Pace. It also includes a spare tire while the I-Pace doesn't.
- The e-tron has better brakes than the I-Pace.
- The I-Pace has a faster 0-60 time (4.8 seconds vs. under 6 seconds).

 

[audifan]

I'm skeptical about the Jag, smaller dealer network for such a new vehicle won't end good.
Audi has a better support network.

 

[bradhinkle]

Jaguar's have historically had electrical problems and here the I-Pace is a fully electric vehicle. Not sure what to think about that.

 

[audifan]

Jaguar's have historically had electrical problems and here the I-Pace is a fully electric vehicle. Not sure what to think about that.

Approaching it with the known risks in mind will position you better than most other automotive consumers.

 

[4Rings]

Here's another interesting article that puts the e-tron and the I-Pace against each other. It does a really thorough job going through each vehicle.

https://www.whatcar.com/news/new-audi-e-tron-vs-jaguar-i-pace/n20032

 

[CityStig]

Even with those details for most people I realized it comes down to brand and what that brand typically stands for.

 

[GrahamS]

Slight thread resurrection.... I've got one of each. Had the iPace for a year, just added an eTron 55 to the household Be interesting to see how they compare.

 

[GrahamS]

Well, we got our eTron 55 in 'Sport' trim a couple of days ago, so a two-EV family. It's a very different animal to the iPace.

Had to do a quick 30 mile test drive just to make sure it's OK... Average energy consumption on the test drive (mix of M11 motorway, A roads, B roads, town) was 38.5 KWh/100m or 2.6 miles/KWh. Not at all bad. And the GOM was reading 186 fully charged. So that's less good given that it's a 55 (95KWh battery)...

Assume it will improve as usage stats settle down. At an average of about 2.5 miles/KWh we should get a usable range of say 200-210 with 10% spare.

Initial comparisons with the iPace... eTron is quieter; much more spacious especially in the back; offers better visibility; very comfortable; seats feel very good; bigger boot. eTron turning cicle much better. Brake pedal 'feel' is completely normal unlike the spongy, squeaky pedal in the Pace. But the Audi is a lot slower off the mark and through the range; feels a lot less involving to drive even in Dynamic; mid range acceleration nothing like the iPace.

Infotainment navgation / screens / menus etc is much snappier in the Audi. The iPace sluggish Infotainment is fixed in the new MY21 car.

Audi App seems even more flaky and unreliable than the Jaguar one.

There are other detail differences eg 'human interface', touch screens etc. And the spec level is different between the base eTron and the HSE iPace so that's maybe a bit unfair to comment on kit levels.

 

[JNealCox]

For your GOM reading, my car from the dealer had the maximum charging limited to 80% (as recommended by Audi) of available capacity. That translates to about 180 mi on the GOM. Have you increased the maximum limit to 100%? Also, I'm curious, does the i-Pace have a spare tire? You should cycle through the Drive mode and Steering options to find settings that gives you an overall handling more suited to your liking.

 

[GrahamS]

I always charge to 100%. No interest in preserving the battery, it's a lease car. And if that troubles anyone, let me say this. The DC rapid profile on a 150KW charger that Audi allows (maintaining at least 125Kw to >90% SOC) will destroy the cells in the battery rather quickly. Probably within the car warranty let alone the battery warranty. The damage caused by an AC charge cycle to 100% is irrelevant. So I literally don't care. I need the range available.

Drive and Steering options, are these sticky? By which I mean, they remain selected after shutdown and sleep? If not, can't be arsed.

Ref the iPace spare. No.

 

[omegafiler]

Since Audi limits you to 83.6 kWh of the 95 kWh battery pack, an indicated "100%" state of charge is really only ~88% actual charge. Which is still not at the ideal 80%, but at least this won't cause quite as much wear as you might expect. And if you're actually driving it every day and need the range, it is what it is. Just like any other vehicle, there are many parts that will wear over time and vary depending on how it's used and cared for.

Also, keep in mind that capacity limitation is primarily to allow for sustained fast DC charging and at least give the perception of consistent battery health/range as individual cells naturally fade or fail.

If VW/Audi want folks to really adhere to battery charge practices, they need to enable more usable capacity (as they are newer models) and provide more driver education. Otherwise, there is nothing stopping people from using the vehicle as they see fit.

EDIT: I should add this applies to all manufacturers, as none of them seem to be doing much to educate customers.

 

[GrahamS]

@omegafiler thanks for that. Wasn't aware it was pegged down as low as 83.6, so that helps to explain why the in-car range at 100% seems to be maxing out at about 185 miles at the moment. That makes 2.2 miles / Kwh which is still pretty dismal. Maybe my wife's driving style on her daily 60 mile commute. She's liking it a LOT...!

Totally agree ref the education point.

 

[Joe]

I have noticed something strange and this thread seems like a decent place to drop it: whenever I L3 charge @ 150kw my 100% maxes at around 190. This is right after my home L2 gets me to ~210 or so. Not a big enough deal for me to be concerned, but I think the slower L2 "tops it off" more completely. idk

 

[GrahamS]

Maybe so.What do you mean by L2 and L3 in this context... L = 'Level'...? U.S.-based?

If so, AAUI Level 2 is 240V AC which is the baseline / bog standard minimum in the UK aka 'fast', and Level 3 is DC or 'rapid'.

 

[omegafiler]

Maybe so.What do you mean by L2 and L3 in this context... L = 'Level'...? U.S.-based?

If so, AAUI Level 2 is 240V AC which is the baseline / bog standard minimum in the UK aka 'fast', and Level 3 is DC or 'rapid'.

They are a bit different depending on the region, but in the US:

Level 1 is 120V AC, normal household plug in the US, 15-20A.
Level 2 is 240V AC, a dedicated line, such as NEMA 14-50P, a dryer plug, or similar.
Level 3 is 480V DC fast charge, commercial use, public charging stations.

 

[GrahamS]

Ok thanks, new terms to me, I had to google the NEMA plug too.

 

[EliManning20]

I have noticed something strange and this thread seems like a decent place to drop it: whenever I L3 charge @ 150kw my 100% maxes at around 190. This is right after my home L2 gets me to ~210 or so. Not a big enough deal for me to be concerned, but I think the slower L2 "tops it off" more completely. idk

I too have noticed something similar when I was on my road trip. I think I topped off at 100% at a EA charger, with the dash showing 200+ miles of range, and then a few minutes into the highway, it dropped immediately down to 190'ish

 

[JNealCox]

That may be because before you start out the GOM (mileage guess-o-meter) has not applied adjustments for what settings you are using for heating/cooling etc., which also place demands on the battery. I find this happens for me every day, especially when I first head out. I start the car with one GOM value showing and then a few minutes later I usually lose a few miles mysteriously.

 

[polyphonic]

I-Pace is certainly the fun car of the two, no question. The only problem is it's oddly limited to 100 kW peak charging, and drops off quickly from there.

e-tron with it's incredible charging curve is the road trip cruiser.

 

[GrahamS]

Well, not really "oddly" because that was how it was designed - 104Kw is the peak it can accept. First mover weakness perhaps. The falloff in charge rate is real, and is designed to preserve the batteries but leads to extended charging times which can be a right pain if you're in a hurry.

The Audi DC charging profile is very aggressive and will likely lead to more warranty claims down the line, but in the meantime it certainly helps to overcome the somewhat shorter usable range. If, that is, you can actually find a working 100 or 150Kw DC charger somewhere near your route ....! Bit rare at the moment.