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Electrical System: Malfunction!

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I ran into my first serious issue with my ‘21 eTron today. It threw an “Electrical System: Malfunction” error & shut down the car to where I couldn’t drive it. It had to be towed to the nearest dealership. It happened while I was charging at my local Electrify America Charging Station.

I pulled in with 15 miles of charge left on my eTron. I plugged in & activated the charger via MyAudi App as I usually do. I hopped back in the car to work on my laptop while it charged. It made it to 131 miles (~ 60%) of charge when I suddenly heard a loud boom & noticed smoke coming out of the vent on the charging station. I hopped out to see the charger had stopped, and it instructed me to unplug. I turned to my charge port & noticed the flashing red LED. I pressed the button on the side a couple of times to disengage the plug. Fortunately, on the third attempt, the light turned white & it relinquished the charging plug. That’s when I hopped back in my eTron and tried to start it up.

I got the Electrical Systems: Malfunction error as well as a Drive System error. It effectively would not allow me to move/drive my eTron. While it would shift to R and D, it would not move. Luckily, we only needed to get it into N for the tow truck driver to pull it up onto the flatbed.

I’ve not found this error mentioned anywhere yet. I wondered if anyone might be familiar with it & what it entails. Audi Dealership said it could be end of the week before they may have an update for me. I’m most concerned that the EA Charging Station may have fried my eTron, but that’s just me thinking the worst.

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Thanks for the perspective, JNEALCOX - all valid points. No doubt the effects of COVID on staffing and supply chain are not helping things. Glad your problem resolution came on the "faster" end of the spectrum.

The fact there are so relatively few e-trons in the wild is what drives much of my concern - if my dealer has 3 disabled units at the moment, what percentage of those sold are hitting critical problems at some point? And how long will it take to build a base of diagnostic experience to where every problem isn't a first-of-a-kind? Based on those uncertainties, I wouldn't recommend an e-tron purchase to a friend at this point.

But my dealer did eventually find me a loaner - no mean feat in this market - so I'm at least mobile while my repair journey proceeds. I'll update this forum with any updates on progress.
Thanks for the perspective, JNEALCOX - all valid points. No doubt the effects of COVID on staffing and supply chain are not helping things. Glad your problem resolution came on the "faster" end of the spectrum.

The fact there are so relatively few e-trons in the wild is what drives much of my concern - if my dealer has 3 disabled units at the moment, what percentage of those sold are hitting critical problems at some point? And how long will it take to build a base of diagnostic experience to where every problem isn't a first-of-a-kind? Based on those uncertainties, I wouldn't recommend an e-tron purchase to a friend at this point.

But my dealer did eventually find me a loaner - no mean feat in this market - so I'm at least mobile while my repair journey proceeds. I'll update this forum with any updates on progress.
Yes, while I would recommend the car, I would caution someone on the prospect of being a bit of a pioneer in the EV market, just as I recommend they look carefully at their range needs.

Audi etron does not rate high with Consumer Reports with regard to repair issues. In a way, while Audi is to be commended to jumping into the rapidly changing and evolving EV market, the company brought some of these problems upon itself. By this time next year (less than a 4 year span!) Audi will be offering EV's on FOUR different platforms utilizing two generations of MMI support software--MIB2+ and MIB3. Where do you find enough engineers to deal with all the issues? The diversion of resources caused by COVID could not have happened at a worse time.

I just hope this does not mean that Audi has decided to revert to the Tesla policy of "sell now, fix later".
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I just had the issue. But I was driving home. Not using any charge place. I had 161 mile range and had it towed in yesterday. Hopefully Monday the dealer will have news.
Any update? Mine just happened yesterday!!
My 2021 Sportback recently joined the legion of bricked e-trons out there. Same symptoms I see referenced by others in this thread - the car suddenly shudders, the drive system shuts down, and then a long sequence of failure messages appear on the dash referencing most of the car's electrical features. Audi provided towing service to transport the car to my dealer 2 weeks ago and there's been no indication of progress since then.

Here is the information I've received from my dealer which, in my view, should give anyone considering an e-tron purchase serious pause:

(1) There are currently 3 "dead" e-trons in my dealer's service department. The technicians have no idea at this point what the problems are, or whether the problems are similar across these three cars.
(2) At this point, the approach being used is largely trial and error. The dealer technicians get on the phone with Audi engineering and go through days of "try this - try that" tasks
(3) This problem is common enough that dealers are forming cross-dealer working groups to share what they are encountering and what remedial steps they've tried. My dealer said they are holding regular collaboration calls with two other dealers.
(4) I was told yesterday that Audi engineering has decided to ship them a new diagnostic device to help isolate the problem(s). They have no idea how long it will take to get this device, but acknowledged that no further work will be done on my car until it arrives.
(5) My dealer indicated that this problem of dead e-trons is widespread and unresolved enough that Audi is treating it as critical. They assure me that the e-tron platform is considered so strategically vital to Audi that they can't afford for this to go on indefinitely and become more public. I suppose I take some minor comfort in that.
(6) Audi dealer technicians have no idea how address problems of the nature and complexity that e-trons can present. Virtually all the problems referenced in this thread would require involvement by Audi corporate engineering.
(7) It's been made clear to me that I'll only get frustrated if I mark time for this repair process in hours or days. This will almost certainly be a matter of weeks and very possibly months.

I purchased my e-tron in January, 2021 and have very much liked the car over the past year. Problems have been minor, and the car has proven ideal for the type of largely around-town driving I do. This experience, however, has me pretty concerned over whether I made a bad decision in purchasing the car. In short, the e-tron is fantastic until it isn't, and then it really isn't.

I'm sympathetic with earlier posts pointing out that it's not unusual for first year models to experience glitches. But 2021 was the third model year of the e-tron Sportback, and my growing sense is that there is a broad and little-understood array of electrical problems surfacing in the e-tron, any one of which can effectively take the car out of commission. Dealer service technicians remain novices on the car, and they lack the information, training or tools to resolve most e-tron problems independently.

Many of us purchased electric vehicles in the belief that our cars would have fewer points of failure than ICE vehicles. While that may be partly true, I think we're finding that EV problems tend to be more complex and debilitating for at least the time being.
Bartron-I had my 2021 sportback go into brick out mode yesterday! Your analysis of the etron knowledge at Audi dealerships is spot on! They do not really know!! I absolutely loved my etron until yesterday.....
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Bartron-I had my 2021 sportback go into brick out mode yesterday! Your analysis of the etron knowledge at Audi dealerships is spot on! They do not really know!! I absolutely loved my etron until yesterday.....
I received word today that after just over 4 weeks in the shop my problem has been diagnosed as a fault in the A19 Control Module (they also referred to it as Voltage Converter). Identifying this problem was apparently a pretty painstaking process that involved much trial and error in disconnecting and reconnecting one component after another to narrow down where a bad resistance reading was coming from. Apparently, when this problem was identified and reported to Audi engineering in Germany there was much surprise and concern as they had not yet encountered this particular failure in North America. Audi originally said they wanted an engineer to fly over and inspect the car before this module was replaced, but agreed this morning to go ahead and ship a module over for the dealer to replace.

I was told to expect it to take 10 days or so to get the component, and then another week or so to complete installation and testing before I get the e-tron back in early March. So if all goes as planned my car will have been at the dealer just under 2 months, but I'll then be good to go.

So fingers crossed...I'll report any updates.
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Please continue to let me know how you are getting on.These Etrons are a nightmare when they go wrong.

I have a 2021 Launch edition which developed a charging problem 27th Sept 2021, it has been in the service centre for 4.5 months and they have been unable to fix the fault. I have given up believing that they can fix the car and lost faith. The dealership are unwilling to buy this £75K car back at any price so it is now worthless. I have escalated the complaint to Audi UK on the basis that the car after 9 months and 5600 miles is not fit for purpose as it cannot be repaired in a reasonable period of time. I believe the car needs to be rejected to Audi and replaced allowing for an adjustment for fair wear and tear . Audi Uk are not supportive , based on the policy the car was more than 6 months old when the problem developed they have made it quite clear that it is my problem to deal with. The dealer complains that they cannot provide a fix without the support of Audi Uk so the car just sits there. Audi cannot be trusted to look after customers because it is just too expensive to fix these cars when they go wrong. I have been advised that the technician has spent more than 100 hrs trying to fix the car which would be a labour bill of more than £20,000 plus the parts they have fitted so they have given up unless Audi Uk send a field technician which Audi Uk have not agreed to do .
Needless to say I seriously regret buying an Etron as a sustainable purchase , uneconomic to repair , worthless after 9 months and causing severe stress. I have previously always owned an Audi and bought over 20 Audis in my lifetime for myself and family members. If they cannot look after me as a loyal customer something is really wrong with these cars. No one wants to pick up the tab for fixing them, Audi Uk , the dealer so the customer ends up taking the pain. I had trust in the brand and the manufacturer , which has been betrayed.

The dispute is ongoing with Audi and I would appreciate any advice and support from anyone else who has experienced similar problems.
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Wow, welcome to the forum and really sorry to hear about your problems.

It really does sound as if something has gone terribly wrong. After 4.5 months of you giving your dealer every opportunity to correct things this is probably one of those cases where your only option is to start formal action to recover your losses.

Hopefully you have your experiences well documented. I fear that the time has come for a letter before action, 14 days should be sufficient after all this time.

Let us know how they respond.
Please continue to let me know how you are getting on.These Etrons are a nightmare when they go wrong.

I have a 2021 Launch edition which developed a charging problem 27th Sept 2021, it has been in the service centre for 4.5 months and they have been unable to fix the fault. I have given up believing that they can fix the car and lost faith. The dealership are unwilling to buy this £75K car back at any price so it is now worthless. I have escalated the complaint to Audi UK on the basis that the car after 9 months and 5600 miles is not fit for purpose as it cannot be repaired in a reasonable period of time. I believe the car needs to be rejected to Audi and replaced allowing for an adjustment for fair wear and tear . Audi Uk are not supportive , based on the policy the car was more than 6 months old when the problem developed they have made it quite clear that it is my problem to deal with. The dealer complains that they cannot provide a fix without the support of Audi Uk so the car just sits there. Audi cannot be trusted to look after customers because it is just too expensive to fix these cars when they go wrong. I have been advised that the technician has spent more than 100 hrs trying to fix the car which would be a labour bill of more than £20,000 plus the parts they have fitted so they have given up unless Audi Uk send a field technician which Audi Uk have not agreed to do .
Needless to say I seriously regret buying an Etron as a sustainable purchase , uneconomic to repair , worthless after 9 months and causing severe stress. I have previously always owned an Audi and bought over 20 Audis in my lifetime for myself and family members. If they cannot look after me as a loyal customer something is really wrong with these cars. No one wants to pick up the tab for fixing them, Audi Uk , the dealer so the customer ends up taking the pain. I had trust in the brand and the manufacturer , which has been betrayed.

The dispute is ongoing with Audi and I would appreciate any advice and support from anyone else who has experienced similar problems.
There have been numerous instances of Audi being forced to buyback eTrons in the US market due to lemon laws that protect new car purchasers from cars that require excessive repairs in the first year of ownership.
I don’t know if you have similar protections in UK but I would reach out to a Lawyer to help you understand the implied warranties of the car. Considering the number of people with similar issues on this forum alone, I would think that Audi would do its best to make it right for its customers and avoid the potential for a class action suit or forced recall on these cars.
I have attached a link to an article that may be helpful in getting some legal advice.
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...... the US market due to lemon laws that protect new car purchasers
The situation in the UK is completely different to that which exists in the US. In most US states there is very little consumer protection for everyday purchases which has meant that specific laws have been introduced for the purchase of vehicles (often referred to as 'lemon' laws) which gives certain rights to consumers based on factors such as term of ownership, mileage, days not available for use and so on.

In the UK, purchases of all retail goods receive comprehensive protection through the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (formally the Sale of Goods Act 1979 but with the addition of protection for the purchase of digital goods and services). The four principles contained in the legislation relating to products cover just about every aspect of the consumer experience and give an absolute right to recover any losses associated with a purchase. Although case law has now put a framework on those principles, the courts tend to interpret them very widely. Importantly, these rights cannot be signed away as part of a contract of purchase which means that a buyers rights are still in place even when a good is sold off as part of a special deal, sale or end of line type arrangement.

It is the first of the four principles that is of most importance in the case of car sales and that states that the buyer can expect the goods to be "Of a satisfactory quality (including appearance and finish, free from minor defects, safety, durability)".

From the story set out by Tony Auger it would appear that his car clearly fails to meet this test. Although speaking with Audi UK may in some cases offer a practical way forward, in this case that appears not to have worked.

Ultimately it is the retailer (or Dealer in motor industry speak) which is liable and that is where he should send his letter before action.
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I received word today that after just over 4 weeks in the shop my problem has been diagnosed as a fault in the A19 Control Module (they also referred to it as Voltage Converter). Identifying this problem was apparently a pretty painstaking process that involved much trial and error in disconnecting and reconnecting one component after another to narrow down where a bad resistance reading was coming from. Apparently, when this problem was identified and reported to Audi engineering in Germany there was much surprise and concern as they had not yet encountered this particular failure in North America. Audi originally said they wanted an engineer to fly over and inspect the car before this module was replaced, but agreed this morning to go ahead and ship a module over for the dealer to replace.

I was told to expect it to take 10 days or so to get the component, and then another week or so to complete installation and testing before I get the e-tron back in early March. So if all goes as planned my car will have been at the dealer just under 2 months, but I'll then be good to go.

So fingers crossed...I'll report any updates.
Two weeks and counting now for Audi Stevens Creek in San Jose. When I first brought the car to the dealership, my service advisor almost too assuradly, told me to stay off these message boards and they would have the car back in a few weeks. "We sell more etrons than anyone in the country!" He also backed it up with he used to work at Tesla for 5+ years and that car is a real POS or something to the effect.
Needless to say, he is now not so cocky. DO NOT BUY AN AUDI ETRON!!!
Audi should have a civil suit brought against it. Lets organize!!!
Two weeks and counting now for Audi Stevens Creek in San Jose. When I first brought the car to the dealership, my service advisor almost too assuradly, told me to stay off these message boards and they would have the car back in a few weeks. "We sell more etrons than anyone in the country!" He also backed it up with he used to work at Tesla for 5+ years and that car is a real POS or something to the effect.
Needless to say, he is now not so cocky. DO NOT BUY AN AUDI ETRON!!!
Audi should have a civil suit brought against it. Lets organize!!!
Honestly, I don't think it is fair to ding Audi on this. The supply shortages are a very real problem, as are shipping issues, and your "two weeks" is nothing (well, not to you!). I have a friend with a Hyundai Kona who has had his EV in the shop for over 2 months and counting. This is a terrible time to be in the car market, or to need a car repair.
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Honestly, I don't think it is fair to ding Audi on this. The supply shortages are a very real problem, as are shipping issues, and your "two weeks" is nothing (well, not to you!). I have a friend with a Hyundai Kona who has had his EV in the shop for over 2 months and counting. This is a terrible time to be in the car market, or to need a car repair.
Thanks Jneal!
Let me clarify, Audi has not been able to diagnose the problem and are saying this is a first in USA. They have involved Audi engineers in Germany. So your assumption was neither accurate nor helpful…
Well, not being able to diagnose a problem for weeks is not good at all. There aren't that many Etrons "in the wild", so it is certainly no surprise that your problem is "the first in the USA". When I got my etron in late 2019, as part of picking up the car I met my Dealership's very first "etron technician", fresh from training in Germany. COVID-19 has made a disaster of getting support in place. Not to "help" your problem, but maybe to emphasize it, once they do diagnose the problem, be prepared to wait at least a month for them to get the part.

Has Audi provided a loaner in the meantime?
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Well, not being able to diagnose a problem for weeks is not good at all. There aren't that many Etrons "in the wild", so it is certainly no surprise that your problem is "the first in the USA". When I got my etron in late 2019, as part of picking up the car I met my Dealership's very first "etron technician", fresh from training in Germany. COVID-19 has made a disaster of getting support in place. Not to "help" your problem, but maybe to emphasize it, once they do diagnose the problem, be prepared to wait at least a month for them to get the part.

Has Audi provided a loaner in the meantime?
I, too, have joined those of you whose Etron has suffered an electric system failure. I have 14,500 miles on my 2021 Sportback and had been pleased that I have had no problems whatsoever with it - until Monday. I had about 25% battery SOC and plugged it into my Chargepoint 50 Amp charging station with the car set to charge to 80%. A few hours later when I was leaving for work, I saw a red light at the charging portal and the charging had stopped at 61%. Needless to say, nothing I could do would wake it up so I called Audi roadside assistance and had the car towed from my garage to the local dealer. For those of you who don't know this, the rear towing hook is hidden below the floor of the frunk (froot if you're in the U.K.) The tow truck driver almost left because, at first, we couldn't find the tow hook. Anyway, I'm now driving a loaner A3 that my dealer supplied and waiting for some answers. The technician thinks that the charging port may be the problem, but time will tell. Hope it turns out like some of the horror stories that I have read on this Forum. To be continued....................
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Fred M!
My etron was in the shop for 5 weeks. The first part Audi replaced on a 2 page list was labeled engine and described in the work order as the front drive motor. I am happy to say that I am back floating in etron bliss and am frothing to buy the 2023 model with extended range.
I am at the largest Audi dealer in Nor Cal and they sell the most etrons in the US (heart of Silicon Valley). The technicians have to be EV certified so depending on the dealer, there may not be that many EV techs. My tech had worked at Tesla for 5-6 years and he said Audi's have far fewer issues than Tesla. Hang in there!!!
Fred M!
My etron was in the shop for 5 weeks. The first part Audi replaced on a 2 page list was labeled engine and described in the work order as the front drive motor. I am happy to say that I am back floating in etron bliss and am frothing to buy the 2023 model with extended range.
I am at the largest Audi dealer in Nor Cal and they sell the most etrons in the US (heart of Silicon Valley). The technicians have to be EV certified so depending on the dealer, there may not be that many EV techs. My tech had worked at Tesla for 5-6 years and he said Audi's have far fewer issues than Tesla. Hang in there!!!
Thanks for your helpful advice Scott. We are definitely a strange breed, us Etron owners. Who else would wait 5 weeks for a repair and then say how happy he was with his car and can't wait to get another one. I, too, will wait for as long as it takes since I do truly love my Etron. My local dealer in Western Massachusetts has not sold a lot of Etrons so I'm sure they'll be relying on tech help from Audi. I waited for this car to be in production for three years so that this type of problem wouldn't happen. Oh well, the 2022 A3 loaner that I'm driving will be quite fine for me to use for as long as it takes.
Thanks for your helpful advice Scott. We are definitely a strange breed, us Etron owners. Who else would wait 5 weeks for a repair and then say how happy he was with his car and can't wait to get another one. I, too, will wait for as long as it takes since I do truly love my Etron. My local dealer in Western Massachusetts has not sold a lot of Etrons so I'm sure they'll be relying on tech help from Audi. I waited for this car to be in production for three years so that this type of problem wouldn't happen. Oh well, the 2022 A3 loaner that I'm driving will be quite fine for me to use for as long as it takes.
Here’s an update to my story. My dealer just called and told me that the battery needs to be replaced. Unfortunately, their Etron technician is out for an extended period of time so they are transporting the car to another dealer to have the repair done. Looks like I’ll be driving the Q3 loaner for awhile.
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Here’s an update to my story. My dealer just called and told me that the battery needs to be replaced. Unfortunately, their Etron technician is out for an extended period of time so they are transporting the car to another dealer to have the repair done. Looks like I’ll be driving the Q3 loaner for awhile.
Did they give you any estimate as to when the new battery will arrive?
Did they give you any estimate as to when the new battery will arrive?
No. Since they aren't doing the repair, they didn't know how long it would take to get the parts and how long the job would take. I waiting for this car to be in its third year of production hoping this wouldn't happen, but at least I'll have brand new batteries and maybe (?) a slightly better range once it's done. I'll add to this post once I know more.
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No. Since they aren't doing the repair, they didn't know how long it would take to get the parts and how long the job would take. I waiting for this car to be in its third year of production hoping this wouldn't happen, but at least I'll have brand new batteries and maybe (?) a slightly better range once it's done. I'll add to this post once I know more.
Time for an upate. Today is 2 weeks since I had my car towed to the dealer who then had it moved to another Audi dealership. Today I spoke with the service department where the car is now located. They told me that they had 4 experienced Etron technicians at their facility and were waiting on parts from Audi. They also told me that it could take weeks or even months to repair based on their previous experience with Etrons. I just called my dealer and told them that I want something larger than a Q3 since it looks like I may be driving the loaner for quite a while. More updates when I know more.
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