I purchased a 2024 Audi Q8 Etron about 2 weeks ago. 2024 model is supposed to have a range of 285 miles. I know that it is recommended to charge to 80% not 100% to prolong the life of the battery. But when I charge to 80% it says I have a range of 201 miles. 201 miles is 80% of 250 miles not 285. In fact I charged it to 90% and it said my range was 225 which again is not 90% of 285 it is again 90% of 250. Right now it’s says 191 miles range which is 76% of 250. I made sure the rear temperature control is set to off. Why is the range is not adding up? Is there something wrong with my battery after just 2 weeks ?
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After driving the Q8 e tron for 1 year, my consumption is 27 kwh. So with a 106 kw net battery this means an average range of 244 miles. According to audi the range should be 330 miles. So this means the real range is 74% of the range audi says. Most cars in this class (mercedes EQE SUV - BMW iX - Volvo EX90 - Polestar 3 ......) weighing around 2500 kg have consumption between 25 & 27 kwh.
Not sure where you see 330 miles. The 2024 Q8 etron range is estimated at 285 miles
That might be the European test cycle figure. It is way overestimated.
Not the WLTP aka European cycle, that's 361 miles. 582 km.
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EPA is 285 as @Bamboozle33301 stated.
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EV Database has some good opinions about spread over conditions.
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Having had a Model S for 8 years, I agree about the "GOM" as you call it, which is actually just the gauge to indicate battery state of charge. Unfortunately, Tesla does not explain that very well, and virtually every new owner has to go through the learning experience of how it works and why the percentage display is preferred by so many more experienced owners. But what Tesla had was the separate Energy app, which specifically accounted for several parameters including weather and your own driving, and had an adjustable range for the calculation. The Audi energy computation seems to be sort of a cross between the two, and I haven't yet completely understood it. It seems to operate only on the present short trip, which I find rather limiting. But I have had the eTron less than a month, so I am still learning.
No, the Audi uses data from more than one trip.
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The Audi GOM is much more sophisticated than that, using weighted data from a significant period combined with your planned journey which includes types of road, change of elevation etc.
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Yesterday I had my first relatively long trip in my newly-acquired e-tron and was actually quite content with the energy consumption. I drove about 35-40 miles each way (one way was longer than the other because of a side-trip and brief stop), the weather was fairly cold (in the mid-30s (F)), and I was traveling mostly at highway speeds of 70-75 mph or so one way and a bit slower on the way back (more traffic). My energy consumption was about 447 Wh/mi one way and a bit better (435 Wh/mile) on the way back, or about 2.2 miles/kWh if you prefer. I did not try to save energy, drove the speeds I wanted, had the cabin heat at 70F, and some other accessories on as well. That equates to a range of 215 miles if the full battery (96 kWh) were available )but I know it isn't), which is not too bad for the winter conditions. I knew coming into it that the e-tron is inefficient, but it could be worse. (I hope this doesn't prove to be a case of "famous last words...!)
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Thanks! But when I display the range estimate on a random trip, not when using the trip planner, I gather that it is based upon recent travel, but perhaps considers the current weather, but not the specific route. The manual is pretty vague about how it works. Just says the range is "based upon previous and predicted consumption values."
The point for me is, you can fill up a gas car to a full tank. These cars should get a full charge when they're plugged in, and then you can drive how you like whilst obviously realizing when you're not being efficient and using more power. The problem with my brand new 2024 Q8 is that it says 100% at 235, nowhere near 285 or past 300 where a lot of Q8s seem to charge to. And I live in So Cal, and drive it on efficient. Audi DTLA told me that rolling down the windows was also a culprit in the issue with my battery, when I said I wasn't using the AC.
Yes, driving with your windows down can really melt off the miles. That reduced range will get factored into the GOM calculation.
Also, I suspect your "EFFICIENT" setting is not what you think it is. To drive the car at its most efficient, the car needs to be BOTH in the EFFICIENCY driving MODE (picked via Drive Select) AND in the EFFICIENCY driving PROGRAM. The drive PROGRAM is normally selected via the GEAR SHIFTER, but that is not possible for the EFFICIENCY PROGRAM (Gear). The E Program can be selected ONLY by going into the Drive Select and picking the EFFICIENCY MODE. If you do that, but then either use the Gear Shifter (say, to go into R) or Turn Off the car, the car will change the PROGRAM to D for moving forward. It will not go back the E Program via a Gear shift. The E/D (MODE/PROGRAM) is not particularly much more efficient than other settings. To get the car back into E PROGRAM (GEAR), you have to go back into Drive Select and again pick the E MODE.
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Yikes! I read something like that before but it's certainly is confusing. Having separate drive modes in programs sounds bizarre.
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Hi, we purchased a 2024 2024 Audi Q8 Etron just before the holidays. On the the sticker it said range: 296 miles. Never got it to more than 220 and it took close to an hour to charge on the fastest chargers. We took the car to Montreal/ Mon Tremblant from Boston and it was a nightmare of a trip, had to turn AC off, frozen windows, never sure if we will make it to the charging station. Long story short - we wanted to return the car for not performing to standards. Audi said, after a charade of checking, phone calls, etc, they would take the care back but that we lost $25K in value. Thinking through my options here but wanted to see if others are experiencing the same and if anyone has any plausible explanation how the care lost such much in value
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Audi hope to keep everything in their EVs exactly the same with their gas cars so their old customers can have a smooth transition. This simply does not work. You are a prime example of their failure. They should set the expectation right instead. Your trip is the worst scenario for any EVs. If driving in winter and at highway speed can get you 220miles on Etron, that’s above standard for an EV. Almost any other scenario EV is superior to a gas car, if you have home charging. The EPA range is also achievable if you commute with some traffic in mild temperature.
Now to the charging time, again Audi failed to inform the users for a smooth transition. It is normal to fill the tank to full on a gas car, but on a EV, 80%-100% takes the same time as 10%-80%, therefore unless you happen to planned something to do during charging (and that’s why EV trip needs planning for a good experience) like a lunch or shopping, you rarely should charge for one hour on your trip to 100%, but charge half hour or less to 80% instead and charge a bit more often. These facts should be shown to the users beforehand, let them decide if it fits their use case and evaluate pros and cons.
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Exactly. TY for this!
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which thread is that? Hard to figure out the UI of this forum, not trying to be a pest.
I think the idea is that the car NEEDS to be in Efficiency Mode in order to you the Efficiency Program (Gear), so the only way to get there is to always make sure the driver selects Efficiency Mode first.
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My car was in efficiency mode ALL the time. We even held our breaths to make sure we keep it running. The point I am trying to make is this - Audi knows about the battery performance issues, their dealers know about the battery performance problems (and are likely taught and incentivizes on how to maneuver them for loyal Audi buyers so they buy) and is deliberately keeping the details vague, and misusing the trust we have in the brand and in the great cars they used to produce to make a profit. And all of us, ok, maybe some of us, are trying to find workarounds to justify our decision after the fact. Shame on the some of us for not digging deeper and being more prepared (and very unfortunate for some of us that help companies build brands); but shame on Audi for withholding info and this abusing the trust we have in their brand and cars. The unfortunate optics here are: first-world problems (after all, if we can easily afford cars like e-tron, there is only a small fiddle playing sad tunes for those some of us), and because it is so murky, Audi comes out clean, with zero accountability and zero effort to educate and help people make the right decisions. If there is a way to prevent others for falling into this trap, I am going to do it.
When you were in Efficiency Mode via the Drive Select, did you at any time use the Gear Sifter, or turn off the car. If you did, you were not using the Efficiency Program (GEAR). Do either of those things and the car resorts to D/R/S until you go into Drive Select and pick the Efficiency Mode again. Even then, though, I doubt you would have seen a big gain in efficiency.
Were you trying to charge to 100%? That takes about an hour. But, again, in really cold weather charging rates drop, both due to the car and to the charging station.
I think your experience with the Audi Dealer is pretty typical with all EV dealerships. A lot of them wish EV's would just GO AWAY and they never try to learn any of the facts. There is significant resistance in the Dealership community and I'm not sure how the EV manufacturers can get around that. Most sales reps have and ICE and live with it an know it. Most do not have an EV and have no clue.
I am glad I live in a very temperate climate pretty well suited for EV's.
Were you trying to charge to 100%? That takes about an hour. But, again, in really cold weather charging rates drop, both due to the car and to the charging station.
I think your experience with the Audi Dealer is pretty typical with all EV dealerships. A lot of them wish EV's would just GO AWAY and they never try to learn any of the facts. There is significant resistance in the Dealership community and I'm not sure how the EV manufacturers can get around that. Most sales reps have and ICE and live with it an know it. Most do not have an EV and have no clue.
I am glad I live in a very temperate climate pretty well suited for EV's.
Stated range is in the test conditions, not in cold and bad weather. Same as with an ICE, you don't get the MPG (and range) in bad weather that you do in good weather. Or at high speed. Or with a headwind.
As has been mentioned, the sweet spot for an EV is home charging and local driving. Commuting, shopping, etc. If that's the driving you do, you will love an EV.
Longer trips in EVs take more effort. Charging locations are not yet as common as gas stations. Before taking a longer trip, I make a plan. An example plan from Boston to Montreal/ Mon Tremblant:
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This plan has 6 charging stops for 3 hours and 2 minutes, slightly over 30 minutes each. ABRP tends to overestimate charge times, but it is important to remember that sometimes charging times are longer than expected: chargers might be busy so you have to wait, or the charger might have an issue limiting power, or your car might have an issue limiting power. I also use plugshare.com to find recent experiences. Note that there will be more bad review that good, as people that don't have a problem are less likely to leave reviews.
The car charges faster with a lower battery so more stops can be faster than fewer stops. Adding a charging stop may not add to time.
I verify how the car is doing vs the plan as I drive. If I'm not going to make it, I turn off to a "Plan B" charging stop. Looking at this route, there are not a wealth of alternatives. Manchester, NH to White River/West Lebanon there is basically nothing. So somewhere around the waypoint near Londonderry, I'd check how I'm doing. This isn't an ideal checkpoint, but is the best that I can see. If I don't have enough at this checkpoint, I'll stop for a top up.
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Has two of four chargers working. Not ideal again, but it's what is there. Don't pull up to units 1 or 4 (as of Jan 11, 2024), as they have problems. 2 or 3. Read through the check ins.
So where did you stop for a charge?
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